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PostSubject: RCH mentioned by Le Grove   RCH mentioned by Le Grove EmptyTue Nov 16, 2010 8:11 am

The blog Le Grove published an opinion piece with the title "Homophobia in football, is it a problem?" Pedro, the writer, doesn't really answer his own question, but he has certainly a problem with campaigns like RCH. He directly mentions us with two links.

"Homophobia in football, is it a problem?
November 16, 2010

I thought long and hard about whether to write something about a topic as hot as this one, but what the hell… it’s international week.

I’ve seen articles popping up around the web recently about the issue of homophobia in football and I’ve seen that various journalists backing numerous campaigns that are going on. Apparently homophobia is a big problem in the game and there are certain groups who are out trying to fight back.

Now, I’m totally against discriminating against anyone because of creed, colour or sexuality. However, I’m also very much against celebrity culture, where we have to know every single piece of info about whoever we’re watching on the box. I’m also against groups that insist on ramming issues down the throats of the public insisting we’re always doing something wrong.

The Greens have been telling us we’re evil for enjoying life, our Councils tell us we’re evil if we put a crisp packet in the recycling bag and football clubs are making everything unacceptable at a ground. We can’t drink, we can’t stand and pretty soon, there won’t be anything to sing about.

Now don’t get me wrong, homophobia is a terrible thing. At its worst, people face bullying and even physical violence at the hands of intolerant people. Does this apply to a football ground?

I only ask because to my knowledge there isn’t an outed footballer in the Premiership or any division, so I struggle to see where homophobic chanting can be pinpointed. If saying Sol Campbell takes it up the crack counts as hate talk, then fine… but I thought the point there was that he isn’t actually gay?

These groups are pushing for an environment where songs like that aren’t sung. Well, how far do we go with that? Do we set up a group that protects scousers on the dole from fan abuse? Do we ban Spurs fans from using the racist term Yiddo? Do footballers with famous popstar partners group together to prevent their wives becoming targets? How about the referee abuse that goes on in EVERY game?

If you’re going to go after homophobic chanting, you have to go after it all.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not justifying any of it. I’m firstly saying that taking the mick from the stands has always been part of the game and secondly, why are these groups trying to dictate players come out when they might not want to?

Whose business is it? I don’t give a rats arse about who a player chooses to spend and evening with. All I care about as a football supporter is what happens on the pitch.

These groups falsely peddle the ’10% of the population is gay, why aren’t there any outed footballers?’.

Well, firstly that statistic is incorrect, the latest evidence suggest 1-2% and secondly… maybe, just maybe… some people want to keep their private lives out of the newspapers and off of the stands?

Linking pink boot derision to teen suicide that is non-sport related is a weak attempt at shock doctrine tactics, moaning that the head of the Croatian FA is homophobic is pointless… because they’re a country who haven’t even managed to tackle racism.

Gareth Thomas is probably the most famous gay sportsman in Britain. He outed himself because it’s what he wanted to. Searching around the net there was only one incident of crowd abuse and the club was fined for not managing the situation.

I just think this is one campaign too far and yet another attempt to tar Football spectators as Neanderthal and uncultured. You’ll always have a subsection of fans who sing songs they shouldn’t, break the minutes silence and possibly even fight. Providing clubs act swiftly, which they tend to these days… I don’t see why when the time does come to have a gay footballer in our midst, we can’t manage the issue.

England is renowned the world over for being a tolerant country, I really don’t think a gay footballer is going be that much of an issue when the time comes.

However, my personal view is that if a players wants to come out, it should be their decision, not a campaign group or a NoTW Sunday special… people’s private lives should be exactly that… private."

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(Originally posted in LJ)
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PostSubject: Re: RCH mentioned by Le Grove   RCH mentioned by Le Grove EmptyTue Nov 16, 2010 8:13 am

Hmm, to be honest, I'm not too shocked about this article.

1. It's mostly about chanting. The writer of that piece looks on the subject a bit too narrow-minded. Is the main problem really these abusive chants? We all know they aren't. The main problem is that people have to hide - not because they fear chants the most, but because they fear losing their jobs, finding their private lives written in newspapers. They don't have any choice and that's the problem. They can't decide if they want to go to a club event with their boy-friends like others go with their wives. The writer is simply wrong to say we want to force them to attend with their partners. We want to create a situation where they have the choice to decide on their own. If that guy had done his job correctly, he would know it.

2. I always have a problem with people who say "I have no problems with... BUT..." in general. The main problem of that guy seems to be a problem many football fans have: They are afraid of changes in football. When Alex Ferguson talks about the "good old days" I feel nothing as pity. Same with this guy (although I'm sure he is much younger which makes his situation even more pitiful). It's like they try to brace themselves against times. If they could decide, football would still be played with an old brown leather ball on horrible prepaired pitches with no women in stadiums - and England would win the WC. But hey, at least we can sing abusive chants and see week in, week out bleeding players. That's masculine. That's rough. And it's so stupid and backward-looking. Sorry, but I can't take this guy serious.

3. So it's MOANING when we say that the head of the CFF went too far with his words about gay players? Well, someone should inform the guy that it's more than moaning. It's against UEFA rules, but again: In his small football world of the past, there weren't much rules. So I understand were his complaint comes from. Good old days... How strange he moans about "another attempt to tar Football spectators as Neanderthal" as he shows himself more than once that he is closer to be a Neanderthal as to be a sophisticated person who lives in the 21st century. He thinks there is no need to fight against all sorts of discrimination in football? But he is the best proof that there is much more to do as we expected.

4. He linked to our site in on line with a link to Don Foster MP and The Justin Campaign. Isn't that bad at all for our young campaign Wink
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